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1. Wear The White Belt

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e_everett

e_everett

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3/7/08

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There's a small typo in the next-to-last sentence of the first paragraph -- "Your colleagues recognize your abilities and call on you to help them solves problems in your area of expertise" solves should be solve.


Dave Hoover

Dave Hoover

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3/7/08

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Thanks e!


silentwave

silentwave

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3/13/08

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Greetings.


Just join the this collaborative effort.  First thing first, it isn't very clear to me about a few things.  Hopefully, it can get clarified here.


1. I couldn't find a way to post a new topic, such as this one.

2. After all the participation to create this book collaboratively, will the book be free to everyone online?

3. Will this collaboration be ongoing and continuously evolving?

4. Is this a non-profit cause?


More information would be helpful.


Thanks



Joel Bush

Joel Bush

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3/13/08

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silentwave -

1. This space is set up so that registered members can access the entire contents of the space and participate by adding comments (wiki & blog portions of the site) and adding posts to the forum.  If you would like to suggest a topic, please mention it here or email me or Dave Hoover and it will be considered. 


I will defer your remaining questions to an O'Reilly representative.


Thank you - Joel


Michael Hunger

Michael Hunger

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3/19/08

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Hi folks,

I'd like to suggest an open forum for discussions not exactly fitting to the chapter/patterns structure.


I liked the texts so far but I'll read them to the end and then re-read the stuff with the focus on commenting and improving.


What I missed most so far were:

* An introduction

* An overview of the pattern language. Which patterns work together and complement each other. Perhaps an kind of dependency graph like the ones in Kents Books.


* Bibliography, with links to relevant autors pages

   * My Job went to India (Chad Fowler)

   * Pragmatic Thinking and Learning: Refactor Your "Wetware". by Andy Hunt.

   * Essays from Martin Fowler regarding Hiring, Training

   * Software Craftsmanship Pete McBreen

   * Code Craft Peter Godcliffe

   * Pragmatic Programmers

   * Mastery

   * Hackers and Painters

   * Fearless Change: Linda Rising, Mary Mann   

* A system of values and principles which form the basis of the patterns and the language


* References to other pattern(languages) 

   * Organisational Patterns (Jim Coplien)

   * XP (pracices == patterns)

   * Christopher Alexander (who needs patterns/ a language)

   * Kathy Sierra (Creating Passionate Users, we can learn a lot from)

* Dreyfuss Model of Learning

* References to the values of the Agile Manifesto


What I would also like to see in the book is how the environment (company, team) can create a place were the development of craftsmanship is supported.

So long,

Michael


Michael Hunger

Michael Hunger

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3/19/08

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Could you please NOT have images for links of the wiki page. 

* Contribute 

* Join


This is very inaccessible for people who can't use their visual senses. And you can't copy text fragments from these images.


Michael


Michael Hunger

Michael Hunger

19 posts

3/19/08

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Some more references from Last JAOO (2007)

* Uncle Bob is working on this topic (Object Mentor was always strong regarding )

Opening Keynote: Clean Code II: Craftsmanship and Ethics.

* The Track: Professional Developer

   * With Economy and Elegance (Kevlin Henney)

   * The Journeyman's Tale (Laurent Bossavit, a real software journeyman)

   * The Ethics of Error-Prevention (Michael Feathers)

   * Applying Craftsmanship (Pete McBreen)

   * Finding your Inner Doll - Layers of a Professional (Ilja Preuss)


* Code Complete Steve McDonnell


Michael Hunger

Michael Hunger

19 posts

3/20/08

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A great introduction in the Dreyfuss Model from QCon London 2007

Developing Expertise: Herding Racehorses, Racing Sheep (PragDave Thomas)


Participate in discussion is also an image link.



Michael Hunger

Michael Hunger

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3/20/08

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Having a list of the patterns (for instance at the left side) visible at all times would help referring to them and connecting them in forum posts and comments.


A short (2 sentences) introductions to the patterns that are not officially published by now would be nice to clarify their intent.


Michael


Dave Hoover

Dave Hoover

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3/23/08

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silentwave,

1) I am working with Near-Time to see if we can make it so that registered users can create topics.

2) The apprenticeship patterns will be freely available online, I haven't decided on the rest.

3) This collaboration will be ongoing and continuous.  At some point the book will be printed and a decision will need to be made about how to encourage this work to continue to evolve.

4) The book will be printed for-profit.  Currently this site is free, though there may be paid features in the future.


Michael,

Thank you for all of the excellent feedback.  This site, and the book, is a still evolving, so your insights and advice will have an impact.  It is much appreciated.  I have created an Open Forum for you.  An introduction is on my to-do list, though I may have a different introduction for the site, probably more of a pattern guide, like you mentioned.  Regarding how a company or team can create this environment, that will not appear in this book.  For that I would recommend McBreen's Software Craftsmanship: The New Imperative.  My book is written for apprentices.  Pete's book is written for the people with the power to form teams and companies around these ideas, which is precisely what I've done in my company.  I can certainly provide an experience report on my experiences building Obtiva's apprenticeship program, but I would rather do that in my blog.


 

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